Illuminated Mind® #50 | Sara Ajna

Illuminated Mind Podcast – Mat…ew Brownstein
with Sara Ajna_1
Fri, Oct 17, 2025 10:35PM 40:59
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
Hypnotherapy, forgiveness, life review, near death experiences, spiritual growth, oneness,
transformation, client sessions, heart-centered work, divine orchestration, surrender, love, kindness,
relationships, personal journey.
SPEAKERS
Matthew, Speaker 1, Speaker 2
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Matthew 00:00
Hello everyone, and welcome to the illuminated mind podcast with me. Matthew Brownstein,
I’m here with a dear graduate and staff member now. Sarah ajna, Sarah graduated a few years
ago, presented at our conference recently, is the author of a wonderful children’s book, sees
clients, and it’s just a wonderful person to have around. So thank you, Sarah, for being here
with me. Thank you, Matthew, thank you. Wanted to tell us about yourself,
Speaker 1 00:27
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sure, oh, my goodness, there’s where do I start? Where do I start? Do I start from the
beginning? No, I remember when I joined the school, I had emailed you, and I sent you like, I
introduced myself and gave a little bit of my story, and I remember, you’re like, why don’t, why
don’t we do the podcast? And, you know, I was interested, but I was like, let me wait until at
least I go through this training and go through the transformation of it. But, um, yeah, I mean, I
was, you know, whoever’s watching, I’m sure some of my, my audience on social media will be
watching this, but based off of my social media, you’d never, you’d never guess that I was born
in the desert, right? Because my whole theme is water. But yeah, I was born in Kuwait, and, you
know, the Gulf War happened, and we escaped, and through the desert we I, you know, I, as
you know, I, I presented this, you know, my my first words were a prayer in the desert, and my
mom found me, and she said that I was pouring water over my head, and I was calling out to
God in Arabic, and I was mimicking the adults. But you know that moment? I love to share that
story, because it’s so innocent and pure, and it truly is a reflection of my life, and it’s kind of
like a foreshadowing of of what my life has been, you know, and I’ve been through traumas,
I’ve been through all this stuff, but it’s it’s how I grew, and now, after going through the school,
it’s Just been magical. Not to say that I haven’t experienced difficulties and challenges, because
that’s how we grow, right? We climb the mountain, but truly just experiencing the mercy and
the love of of God and yeah, so that’s just a little snippet of my my journey?
Matthew 02:42
Yeah, it’s a little snippet. Thank you. So you left Kuwait, you came here to the States. We know
you love water now, but yes, and you went through our training, of course. What was your
background? What we’re doing before hypnotherapy?
Speaker 1 02:58
Well, I was always into the arts. So I really tried to make a living out of that. But, you know,
came to find that you really can’t make a living. I mean, there are people who have but that
just wasn’t the only thing that I was meant to do. I was doing art for a while. I was teaching. I
worked at a yoga studio, just like, you know, things here and there, but nothing solid. And I
was, you know, pretty lost back then, but after I found hypnotherapy, what was, what I really
love about this work is how creative it is. And as an artist, I was able to take all the things I love
and all the things I do, and just put it into hypnotherapy.
Matthew 03:47
Nice, yeah. And what led you to hypnotherapy? I hear that you can’t really make a great career
as an artist. This allowed you to synthesize some of that into the work of hypnotherapy. But
yeah, what inspired this, instead of massage or Reiki or psychotherapy, correct?
04:04
Yeah, sorry. I had, like,
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Speaker 1 04:12
honestly, Matthew, I had no idea what hypnotherapy was. This was during 2021 I was just in a
really bad place in my life. I lived in a beautiful condo, but I was in a really bad place, and I just
didn’t know where to go. I didn’t know what to do. And I was just like, God, please, please
deliver me to a career that is of service. And specifically, I said, That’s heart work, and right in
front of me, and that year, I think I read the most books that I’ve ever read. And right in front of
me, I just had this inspiration to look at the credentials of these authors. And right in front of
me there was a book on astral projection. Mm. Yeah, it’s kind of out there. But I picked it up,
and I looked on the back, and it said that this, I can’t remember his name, that he was a clinical
hypnotherapy. And I was like, what is that? That sounds intriguing, some research. And lo and
behold, there was a school right here in Florida, and it was your school. And I just did more
research and and then I found out that the logo of the school was a was a heart chakra. And I
was like, Oh my God. But it wasn’t until I went through the process that I really, really felt that
this is hard work. This like, I have chills just thinking about it. Like, this is hard work, yeah, so
God answered my prayers. Yeah.
Matthew 05:48
I hear that you were looking, yeah, you’re looking for something that was heart centered,
something right in your neighborhood. And, yeah, I’m glad you did your research. And of
course, once you took the deeper dive, you realized this is significant, yeah. So I remember you
actually, I think you said hypnotherapy, hypnotherapy. So hypnotherapy is the work of angels.
It is,
Speaker 1 06:11
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it is, yeah, and I and another thing. And what made me realize this was because, as you know,
I’ve been researching near death experiences since I was 20, maybe even before. So 16 years
I’ve been doing this research just because I love it. It’s so interesting to me, and it started
because I was just so curious about the purpose of life. And, you know, I’m obsessed with the
truth. I just want to know the truth about everything about this world. And so I just it, just
started this journey of nd ease. But one thing that is so beautiful about these stories, and I’ve,
I’ve read 1000s of accounts, and something that comes up frequently, because there are
patterns within, you know, these nds. Everybody has their own unique experience, but there’s
undeniable patterns that keep emerging, and one of them is the life review, where these
individuals experience their whole life like right there, and going back to the angels, work of
angels, when these individuals are experiencing their whole life, right and seeing all the bad
stuff they did, the shit, the bad stuff, the shame, you know, and also the beautiful things that
they’ve done that affected people and themselves. Is that this this life review, is facilitated by
light beings, right, whatever you want to call it, and these light beings hold so much space, hold
so much love, unconditional love. There’s no judgment. And it just I realized this one during
practicum weekends, it’s the same thing, right? The clients were witnessing the the students
share their vulnerabilities and their traumas, their fears, and there’s so much there’s no
judgment we’re holding, and there’s transformation happening, and there’s forgiveness and
and that’s what’s occurring with near death experiencers. It’s transformational. So this is the
work of of angels of light, beings
Matthew 08:43
holding space nice, I love it, beings who are holding space for others, who are non judgmental,
who are teaching, are holding a space, really, of love and forgiveness, and you found your
that’s the experience going through the school. Tell us, just before we dive deeper into you,
what was the experience like going through the training?
Speaker 1 09:03
Just take a deep breath. Yeah, it was, there’s no words to describe it. Truly. It was profound,
phenomenal, transformational. Life, changing, life culturing. Incredible, incredible,
Matthew 09:21
incredible, nice. And what is it like after graduation to be seeing clients? So much fun.
Speaker 1 09:27
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Yeah, I remember you were like in the you know, you’ve mentioned this a couple of times, you
know, when you’d work with clients, and afterwards you’d be like, Thank you, God. You’d fall to
knees and be like, thank you. This is what I get to do. That is how life feels in general for me.
Matthew 09:45
Yeah, it’s incredibly beautiful. I remember, yeah, you know the story when I was before I
opened the school back in 2007 so we’ve been doing the school now for 18 years, but I ran my
private practice for 10 years before that, and I remember when I got really two. You a really
good point in my career before I opened the school. Yeah, I said my five clients a day. I went
back into the meditation room at our holistic center we had and yeah, I was literally my niece.
Like, thank you. I’m so honored that I get to it was almost like, I can’t believe but it’s like, I’m so
honored that this is what I get to do for a living. Lots of people are doing lots of other things,
and that’s great. But every day I get help to open hearts clear and transform blockages, bring
people to the light of who they really are, teach them forgiveness, empower them to live their
best life. And yeah, no, that’s what I do, yeah, in the life review. I don’t think any hypnotherapy
to acts in that way would look back with shame. I think you look back saying like that was yeah,
like a life, well lived, right? Beautiful. So, yeah, so good. So tell us more about tell us about
Speaker 1 10:49
your book. Sure, you are the universe. It’s, it’s right here. Oh, no, you are the universe. Yeah, it
was at a time where I was pregnant with my daughter. She’s 10 now, and during that time, I
just my creative juices were flowing. And, you know, she’s a co author, because, you know, she
is so creative now, and she makes things out of nothing. But this book, You are the universe.
It’s really, it’s a kid’s book, but it’s, it’s for all ages, including adults. And it’s really wonderful to
see the adults shine after, you know, holding the book and seeing the book, it’s like their inner
child comes out, yeah, and it’s really just a, it’s a it’s a poem, and it celebrates themes of
oneness, love, kindness, unity and uniqueness. And that’s that’s, You are the universe. There
universe. You know now you know Matthew that I love words,
Matthew 11:59
yes, yes, you are definitely the word play artist, beautiful. So I’ll ask this, as if I know nothing
about such topics. What does it mean? You are the universe. I thought I was just an individual
body. And what do you mean? I’m the whole thing. What does that mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1 12:17
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well, okay, when I think about So, going back to wordplay, right? So, you know, the word
unique, right? The word uni is one, right? We’re all unique, right? We’re one of one. And you
know, the paradox is that we’re all different, and yet we’re all the same. And you know, like in
my book, I say, and although we are all unique, we are still one. Or let me go back, it says, You
are me and I am you. The world is our mirror that we look through. And although we are all
unique, we are still one. The Universe speaks. So, yeah, you know, I really believe in in the
oneness of everything. You know, unique, one of one uni. Verse, one song, right? Verse, one
song. You know, the universe is literally one song, and it’s, it’s one story that’s being told
through countless expressions. And you know, each of us is, is like a is like a verse in that great
poem, each unique, yet all part of the same uni, right? So yeah, and you know, like, yes, we’re
all different, right? We’re all different, but like, we’re the same, like we’re you’re different from
the rest, because you are you, and there’s no other but you and so you know, we’re all
different. So that goes to say, like, if we want to make a difference in this world, just me, you to
fall I. Oh,
Speaker 2 14:23
just be you. You, yeah, I love it
Speaker 1 14:28
fired by the oneness of all Yeah, like billions of beating hearts, yeah. But one love,
Matthew 14:35
so nice, beautiful. And how does that model of oneness one love motivate you to be of service
to others. Because I would imagine if we felt like I’m just an individual, you’re an individual.
Yeah, it might be unique, but it’s us against them or me against you. It is survival of the fittest.
I have to just protect myself or my family and nobody else matters, because we’re all separate
individuals. Goals. How Does knowing that what I just said is not my model of things, knowing
the model of oneness inspire you to want to be of service, knowing that others are really part of
your very own self? Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 15:13
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I hear you, and it’s, it’s sad because, you know, with the things that are going on in the world,
it’s easy to say, well, oh, that’s happening on the other side of the world. It’s not affecting me.
And if that’s how you think, not you, but in general, you are gravely wrong, because it’s directly
impacting you. And so even though we are one of one, when we all come together as a
collective, we can truly, heal the world. And you know, if I’m sick, you’re sick too. The rest of
the world is sick, yeah, but it just inspired. It’s just who I am, Matthew, it’s just who I am. I
always been inspired by the heart. I’ve always been inspired by forgiveness, by love, by
oneness. It’s just something that’s been part of me, as far as I can remember, even as a kid,
yeah, for sure. Yeah. And it goes back to near death experiences. What I’ve learned is that it all
comes back to relationships. It’s all relationships, how we treat each other. It’s not about your
achievements, it’s not about money. It’s how we treat one another. It’s about the state of your
heart.
Matthew 16:28
Yeah, that’s beautiful. And how does Yeah, from your studies of NDS, or just your experience of
being a spiritual being through eternity, how does your experience of like, there’s a problem,
we’re acknowledging that there’s suffering and that your suffering is my suffering. How does
forgiveness play into that?
Speaker 1 16:48
Forgiveness is everything. Forgiveness is everything. Forgiveness is what sets you free. And in
the in the conference, and you know, when I was presenting, it really, it’s the purpose of life.
It’s forgiveness. And if you’ll allow me to talk about a little bit about religion, but really it’s not,
it’s it’s common sense, it’s really good. But I really love the story. When I think about
forgiveness, I think about God first of all, but I think about the story of Adam and Eve, right
from the quran’s perspective, the version of the Quran, which is the most detailed version, and
it really in the way I interpret it, it’s really hinting at the purpose of life, because it’s a story
about forgetting. It was nothing about inherent sin. So when God told Adam and Eve, don’t go
near that tree, right? They forgot. They forgot. And so it was in that moment that God was like,
I’m going to teach them about forgiveness, and really, it’s a message for everyone. And so God
taught them the concept of forgiveness and sincere repentance. And when Adam and Eve, you
know, asked for forgiveness, God immediately gave them, immediately forgave them, and it’s
reflecting the mercy of the Creator. And how if God can forgive, and we can all forgive, and
forgiveness is for giving, and it’s the miracle. And like you said, All suffering is rooted in an
unforgiveness in a relationship. And So forgiveness is everything. It’s healing. It sets you free.
It’s in the word forgiveness,
Matthew 18:51
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yeah, yeah, I love that. And yeah, in the metaphor, maybe some people think actual history of
Adam and Eve, the idea that they basically forgot who they were, and the moment that
happened, God’s Spirit basically gave the solution for that, and it was forgive. I remember I was
meditating deeply. I think it was back in 2007 I was living in the woods alone for quite a while,
just a very deep meditation. And I was doing Course in Miracles, which I do, and the less the
lesson they’re always, you know, somehow centered around forgiveness in some way. But it got
to the point where, like, there’s nothing to forgive. I’m like, then what do you do if your
purpose, the course teachers, your purpose is to forgive, like, but I think I’ve forgiven everyone.
There’s nothing coming up where there’s animosity, negativity, I’ve let go of everything I could
hold on to. It’s like, well, then what’s my purpose, if it’s to forgive, and then the words for, oh,
for means purpose, give, to give. I’m like, Oh, my natural state when I don’t have to forgive or
be forgiven, I’m just here to the course, would say, to extend the kingdom. But the word that
came to me at that moment was forgive, really means bless. Like. Course, miracles, miracles
are extensions of love. And it doesn’t mean we’re walking around just forgiving all these bad
people, and we’re so righteous, and I’m just, you know, forgiving all the sinners. It’s like that
that wouldn’t be in there. It’s just, I’m just here to give to bless the court. She’s the course
teaches to have give all to all, and if you’re just giving all of yourself in that way, and then, as
we talked about that, seems because you’re in a state of oneness. When you’re doing that, it
leads to compassionate service, just because that’s what you do, when you realize that we’re
all one. And it sounds like you’re saying the near death experience is a great way for souls, for
lack of a better word to maybe review. Did you catch on to that yet? Or are you still How do you
feel about the near death experience when somebody may be in their council, when the guides,
or whomever are telling them, you know, helping them to look at their life, what if somebody
realizes I haven’t been living up to that ideal in this life, or after the whole life, when I look
back, what tends to be the process. What happens from your research about if you didn’t quite
get it this time around?
Speaker 1 21:05
Yeah, no, a lot of people feel, they feel a lot of shame when they see even the smallest details
of, oh, man, I really hurt that person. I didn’t realize it did that. Yeah. And of course, the light
beings are just like, we still love you. You did nothing wrong. It’s just a moment to see. And
when they come back, their whole life changes. Whole life changes, and they realize the
purpose of life and their their mission on earth, and really our mission is all the same. Yeah, we
express it in our own unique in our own unique ways.
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Matthew 21:41
So, yeah, I guess what’s, I think, I guess what’s implied in a near death experiences you come
back. I was kind of thinking about, what you’re talking about is most likely what happens when
anybody leaves their body at the time of true bodily death, where you’re not coming back to
this lifetime. Do you get a sense from the I mean all nd es imply you’ve come back to this life
and you pick it up with new wisdom. It’s been my experience, too. Of the little bit that I’ve
studied, it probably not as much, as much as you, but they come back, and quite often they’re
significantly changed. I know my out of body experiences. I haven’t had a near death
experience, but I’ve left my body many, many times, every time I come back with a reminder
that I am spirit. It completely changes the worldview. But you get a sense of if you don’t come
back when the body dies and you haven’t quite figured it out yet, do you get a sense the near
death literature is talking about reincarnation, or what happens if your body isn’t available to
come back when you haven’t learned all your lessons yet? Or I don’t buy into the lessons
model, but you haven’t quite figured out who you are yet.
Speaker 1 22:44
Yeah, right. I don’t know everything, but a lot of these accounts have when they went on a tour
through the afterlife, they’ve seen past lives, so reincarnation is possible, but at the end of the
day, you know, God is merciful and the most forgiving, so we’re forgiven. I think going through
that process is really scary. It’s beautiful, but scary at the same time, especially when you’re
seeing those moments in your life when you weren’t living to your you know?
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Yeah, sure. So, yeah,
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Speaker 1 23:26
part of the learning, and like you said, we forget. And something I wanted to share, and I
shared it in the presentation in Arabic, the word for human is insane, insane, which kind of
sounds like insane, right? But the word to be forgetful is nescien, which is sounds very close
and Sen ne, right? So humans were meant to forget. It’s part of the design. It’s part of the
coding. And so that when we remember, it’s, it’s absolutely divine. And so when we when we
die, when we cross over, it’s like a remembering. It’s like, Oh, okay. And because God is the
most merciful, you know, and it’s really interesting, a lot of the and the ears who didn’t, and
everyone’s different, everyone’s different, but the ones who’ve experienced some really dark,
like hellish places, yeah, the beautiful thing is, and you forget, right? You’re in there, you’re just
like, oh my god, this is so scary. But the second they remember God, they’re beautiful, but God
takes them out of it. That’s beautiful. And that’s kind of like how life is now, this is, this is life,
yeah,
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Matthew 24:47
if you turn back towards the divine, there is mercy, there is grace, there. There’s an image in
the Vaishnava movement, usually known as the Hare Krishnas. I think it’s an image from the
Bhagavad Gita, where the devotee is drowning in an O. Christian, and then they look up and
just turn to Krishna. Or I love the model in Christianity, you might be digging your very deep,
dark hole, but every step of the way, Christ is putting a ladder behind you, and the moment you
turn around, the ladder is there, even beyond the climbing out. Model, the idea of the miracle is
this instantaneous return to love, right where you’ve just simply shifted. I love in the Course in
Miracles model, it says God doesn’t have to forgive you, because God never condemned you,
right? So even think I have to ask God for forgiveness, it sounds like you’re saying no. The
moment you turn back to his light and all beings who represent the light, they’re like, we’re
good, you’re still good. Nothing’s changed. In truth, you had what the Course calls the ego’s
nightmare, yeah, but when you wake up from the dream, where does the dream go? It’s not
even there. It sounds like that’s what you’re acknowledging. Is the grace, the mercy, is beyond
even the need for forgiveness. Like, how could light condemn you? How could love condemn
you? It’s only you condemning yourself. It seems to be the case.
Speaker 1 25:59
Absolutely, we condemn and judge ourselves. Yeah, I had a thought and then it, but,
Matthew 26:09
yeah, yeah, it’ll come back to you, right, yeah,
26:15
okay, what were we saying about
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Matthew 26:17
Yeah, just turning to Okay. Constantly forgiven, basically, yeah, definitely. So that sounds like
the importance of being hypnotherapy is every session, essentially, you get to teach
forgiveness. Do you have, while maintaining confidentiality, a story that comes to mind the
client you work with, where you saw something significant worth sharing?
Speaker 1 26:37
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Yeah, it’s hard when people ask me about clients, it’s hard for me to tap in, because I once I’m
done with the client, like, yeah, if I think of something,
Matthew 26:50
I Okay, or your own transformation, perhaps, but yeah, love a little story, if you have one pop
into your head now, yeah.
Speaker 1 27:04
Nothing’s coming to me right now. You put me on the spot. And I’m like, No, it’s funny.
Whenever I anybody asked me about clients and and I’m like, Ah, it’s just I for, I don’t know,
once I’m done with the client, it’s like,
Matthew 27:21
yeah, yeah, yeah, that’s cool. I have the same problem. I have a lot of these stories because I
teach, so I do pull from that Bank of stories when it seems relevant. But yes, I’ve noticed as
well, when I’m done with the client, it’s just done over and I remember working with a client
once. This is way back before I had the school. I was teaching yoga, I was teaching meditation,
and a lot of my students for yoga and meditation became clients, and it was like a community,
and we all go out to lunch and hang out. I didn’t have like the boundaries I do now as a state
licensed school owner, I was just more friendly with my students. And I went out to lunch with
one of my students, who’s also a client. And she said, You’re not ashamed to go out to lunch
with me. I’m like, why would it be ashamed? And she said, Well, you know, you know, I’ve been
a victim of sexual abuse. I’m like you were. It was that moment of realizing I completely forgot
that it’s like you’re talking about the angels, or, you know, beings of light. When they look at
you, they’re not seeing your past. They’re only seeing your perfection. And it sounds like you’re
saying, like, it’s so easy to forget client sessions because you’re not attached to the details of
what they went through. You’re just honoring like, if I said, think about the beauty of one of
your clients, you can probably do that. But coming up with their stories is is something that
obviously you’re not choosing the store in your mind,
Speaker 1 28:43
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right? And honestly, Matthew, all of my sessions are so beautiful, and it’s going through that
forgiveness formula is just so it’s healing for me too. I can’t remember details, but my my
clients are happy they’re good free, but going back to what you said, Matthew, you know I
really want to acknowledge you because you you didn’t realize that, because you are a good
person and you have a pure heart, and honestly, I’ve always known this about you since I’ve
known you, but meeting you in person really confirmed, because you are like you should. You
have this light to you and and something I want to acknowledge in you as well is thank you like
thank you for creating such a safe space for me and for others as well. I can’t speak for others. I
can only speak for myself, but you have created such a safe space within my purpose. And you
know, typically, you know, in you know, spaces where there’s a man that’s in the leadership
role, and especially within this where, you know, women are primarily part of you know. Illness
and it’s spiritual, and we’re vulnerable. Man tends to take advantage, but honestly, Matthew,
like, I acknowledge you because you truly epitomize the values and you uphold the standards,
and I thank you for that, because, like, I feel so safe here. And you know, even if you didn’t
have a school to run, or if you didn’t have all, you know, a reputation to uphold, I know in my
heart of hearts that it’s simply not in your nature to to be, you know, a person that is, you
know, inappropriate with the with the people around them, especially when we are being
vulnerable and sharing our, you know, shame and our fears, and you know, for that,
Matthew 30:53
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as the wonderful brain donkey Eeyore would say from the way in The Poo series, thanks for
noticing me. Thank you. I appreciate that, and I see you acknowledge you as well. What I would
say, back to that, just to be of service to others in that regard, is I realized when I was 19, I was
talking about how when I woke up spiritually, it was You are the universe. You are and not even
I love your wordplay. But I remember some at the conference saying, don’t say you believe in
universe. Scientists believe in universe like you’re talking about the love underneath it, all right,
like universe is really the one conscious energy manifesting into all these forms that we all are.
And when I first experienced that, I realized what A Course in Miracles says about when you
become a teacher of God, when you become a teacher of love, it says, basically, you have
come to the realization that your interests are not different from the interests of others. Like
you said, if you’re sick, I’m sick, we really are all one, so I just don’t believe light could do
anything else, but want to bless and be of service. And I hope anybody who’s listening to this
isn’t necessarily, yeah, like admiring or honoring you or me, but just realizing for you to be
successful in this life, for people to admire you, to respect you, to be willing to give you money,
to trust you, you have to come from love. And I think when you were looking for a
hypnotherapy school rooted in heart, you know, like, hey, clinical hypnotherapy, what’s that?
There’s plenty. I mean, there’s not a whole lot of truly high quality state license trainings, but
there’s plenty of hypnotherapy trainings out there, and some are deeply spiritual, but they
don’t have the high educational standards. I love that what we’ve created, and I say we as a
team, which are part of now that we’ve created a movement of Light Workers who are working
to bless the world. And when you do that, you really can’t go wrong, right? You’re doing your
dharma. You’re doing your purpose. So I’m so grateful that you figured out who you want to be
when you grow up, right? That, yes, you’re an artist, and you bring that into this, but realizing
like I can be a teacher of light and love, I can just live that. My experience is there’s nothing
else you need to do. In fact, there really is nothing else to do. Anything else the course call
Course in Miracles calls a useless journey. So it’s beautiful to have you on this path with us.
Thank you. Can
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I share what I wanted to be when I wanted to be an astronaut when I was little? But you know,
the work I do is still out of this world.
Matthew 33:23
So there you go. Well, Said, I mean, out of body experiences have absolutely shown me we can
fly. I’m also a paragliding pilot, so I’ve learned that we can fly. So yeah, the belief that we are
limited in any way is just a belief, right? So out of your body near death experiences, but really
like the out of body experiences where you don’t have to get hit by a Mack truck to have the
experience. My experience is you can fly and you can experience what it’s like to be one with
universe, you know, like beyond our bodies. And yeah, I would imagine that part of you is quite
cosmically aware, still
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absolutely more than just the universe. I don’t know if you remember me saying, you know,
why do we limit ourselves to just the universe? The universe is just a creation. It’s not the
computer. Yeah, so there’s bigger,
Matthew 34:15
absolutely, and yeah, well, the idea that there’s the external or the physical or the manifest
world, but that’s a temporary, finite reality. You know, we are not that. We really are the source
of that, the conscious energy experiencing that, or manifesting to that. But, yeah, my
experience out of the body, in a cosmic, conscious experience was it used to be, when I leave
my body, I’m like in this individual soul, it can float around the bedroom. But one time it was
literally just leaving the physical earth and expanding bigger than the Earth and bigger than
planets and bigger like as big as galaxies, literally. And then that just became terrifying at
some point. Showed me, and I’ve seen this in some religious literature, like the Bhagavad Gita
talks. About it. Yogananda, in his autobiography, talks about these cosmic experiences that
confirm for us that you are far greater than a body, that you really truly as a spiritual being.
Yeah, you’re no small thing. No, yeah, it’s beautiful on that notion, if you had some closing
words for anybody who’s considering hypnotherapy training or in straight in your book or in
student sessions with you, for sure, we can get to contact details in just a moment, but what
would be some closing words on this theme? Okay?
Speaker 1 35:31
Well, yeah, I don’t know. I think I really just, you know, I guess my message really is, you know,
aside from, you know, I spoke on the you being, you know how we’re unique and to just be you
and you know, part of embracing and embodying the uniqueness you know, is really devoting
your life to the art of surrender, right? So if, if God is the one who gives life and takes it away,
then what about everything in in between? Right? We can’t, we didn’t create ourselves. We had
no control of that, and we have no control of of when we’re going to return, right? So we forget
that the same hand and that created us is also the one gently guiding the moment ever in
between and the in between is right now, right? We’re in the in between. So what makes us,
you know, believe that God isn’t also orchestrating with the same perfect wisdom. So what I’m
saying is, you know, life is a paradox. You know we’re living. You know we’re the in between is,
you know, constant also, is also a constant, dying and rebirthing, and so just it’s just all about
surrender and divine orchestration. So just give yourself. Just trust yourself. And like we said,
you know, life is about or giving, giving of yourself. And so be that gift, because you know that.
What do we do with gifts? We give them away, so just continue to give of yourself and just trust
surrender. Just surrender. You’re good, you’re good to go.
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Sounds like you figured it out. Yeah, the term in Sanskrit is, oh, really like seva in Sanskrit
means selfless service, and surrender really tends to be just the deepest teaching. So you’re
talking about like in between, the thing called birth, in between, the thing called death. There’s
this thing that we’re calling life and surrender that to the Divine is what I hear you saying. I
heard about a great eulogy, and I used it once for my grandmother’s passing. It’s called the
dash. And I don’t know who to give it credit to, but it’s basically, we always talk about, yeah,
like the birth of the death, but nobody really talks about the dash, which is what’s happening,
like on your tombstone, right? You get the birthday and the death date. But actually it’s the
dash that’s really valuable. And what I hear you saying, which I completely agree with, is, does
that which created you, and I totally agree it’s pure Course in Miracles, you are not your own
creator, and that which created you loves you and cares for you and has a purpose and a
mission for you. And it does seem like you figure that out. You have remembered that.
Speaker 1 38:32
And thank you. I you know people, one last thing I like people really tried to like, oh, what’s the
purpose of life? What’s it’s really, it’s not hard, it’s not hard to figure out, right? It’s the answer,
is in our heart, and it’s all about love, kindness, forgiveness, services, about relationships,
about humanity. And you know, I’m referring to the Quran again, because the last word of the
Quran is a Ness which it which translates to mankind. And knowing what I know now, it hits
different right? Because, you know, and understanding the interpersonal model, you know, life
is interpersonal. So it’s all about relationships. So part of that surrendering, you know, is really
also being of service, you know, like, Don’t be afraid. Don’t be afraid to give up yourself. Don’t
be afraid to help someone, because you know when you’re looking back on your life review,
you know, and I, I have a video in the transpersonal section. I talk about this. I talk about, what
if we can hack the life review right through forgiveness. Forgive now, and you know, and so
Matthew 39:47
that’s my message. Yeah, beautiful message of forgiveness, love, surrender and remembering
who you truly are. It’s beautiful. Thank you, Sarah, since we’re towards the end of time that we
have allotted, how could people reach you if they’re interested in private sessions?
Speaker 1 40:00
Yeah, yeah, just type my name on Google. Sarah ajna, it’s, it’s not Anja, people like to mess
that up. A, J, N, A you could go to Sarah ajna.com Just google me. I’m on Instagram. Sarah dot
ajna, yeah, just google me. You’ll find me easy enough.
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Matthew 40:22
And you also work under the name wealth mind hypnotherapy. If I remember correctly,
Speaker 1 40:27
I do wealth mind hypnotherapy. Yeah, I’m shifting more to Sarah ajna. That was kind of more
doing digital marketing and all that.
Matthew 40:34
But, yeah, perfect. Sarah ajna, just Google it, and there you are. You’ve usually made it into our
staff, having repeated the training and showed your dedication. I’m happy to refer people to
you, so I’m glad people have the opportunity to get to know you, and I’m glad to know you as
well. So thank you, Sarah. I appreciate you and much love and many blessings.
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Thank you so much. Bye.